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It's been a long time coming but Disney plus is finally confirm that will lend its role producing Doctor Who with the BBC Rebecca with this inevitable open saying it's not looking good there probably not going to like you said it's been awhile coming there's been a lot of speculation a lot of time in this year.

They said they weren't going to say anything although it was thought they wouldn't say anything until after the series the line between the war in the sea which is the spin-off series but didn't have no we're not we're not going to go ahead with it and it was an initial contract for 26 episodes, which included the two series with you get the Christmas specials the can a comeback special they did and the light between the land and the sea and they said that's enough for us.

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Can we stop the BBC because Disney were Pony up a load of cash to make it work in the modern world yourself bring it to lots of lots of people for Disney plus across the world.

Yes, I mean it was a lot of money.

I never quite 8 episode well when you think about like how traditional shonky Doctor Who I'm sorry BBC budget traditional values incredible.

It's not ideal.

Obviously you know before Disney what was so does he have the rights to do and show Doctor Who on Disney plus outside of the UK BBC retainer UK right because of course they did it's their big flagship bit of IP but you didn't have the right to know what that do I replace a bunch of kind of patchwork right so I think it was Australia had the right basically different broadcast around the world would pay for the rest of tribute in their territory you all a bit annoyed when they lost it one then yes, yeah.

It would be a game like it.

It's a big piece of IP for PSP 4 for any kind of broadcaster, so whether I go back to that or whether there is another kind of an American company waiting in the Wings that might want to take it.

I will say like as a big doggy fan of the show and I'm a big fan of bad wolf and the production company that can look it on and it's not Known whether it will continue with the production of BBC Studios I suspect they will but I could be wrong but you know I really like that with content I do sort of thing when you saw that money on the screen you could tell where it's gone and actually Pat some of the charm of the strong he starts with lost you know the sort of slightly wobbly sets the tin foil that you know and maybe going back to We Can't show the massive a little can't afford to so everyone can someone sign a big furry arm will come into the set come out like maybe that you know might help to traditional.

I wish I was as many many franchises that I was just having a sense of it.

Is it is it a case of the kind of it doesn't travel well enough for the story was kind of a week because they place the money in the wrong places you just saying yeah, I know but I think if you compare just thought I think compare say that budget although it's queued for BBC show that the Mandalorian it's just if it is winning between work Schneider on a Shoestring nor is it the big banks and I thought you get on and I think there was a combination of like there is a phantom 4 Doctor Who in America but I think things have happened to the discussion about whether it was heavily enough marketed in America that time does the saying it was really wasn't so there's that yeah, it was quite British it is a bonker.

Sorry.

I couldn't already into it and you weren't already going to be like a a big fan of sorry to hear.

Play two hearts and he's with lots of iterations and he just changes personality and person on the regular and the inside all of that sort of stuff.

Maybe that didn't translate maybe didn't I didn't like it's the ultimate reboot because when is the new Doctor Who the reboots itself, but just a bit too complicated to deliver to a new audience plays rest the first episode there was a lot of if you prefer that that was a lot of explanation going on that you would like that.

It's because it's 4 people in America who are just starting to watch it.

Just to be like electric catch you up.

Yeah, they will not that worked.

I I couldn't say that number so don't know this sort of the Dance With the Devil that you can get into bed with an amazing distributor and content company like this but if I do pull the road to sort of left.

Yeah, I think it's just in an age in which attention is so difficult to capture people trying to find them or premium offerings and

Compete in the place of the BBC office in in Unscripted you know will be like can you get a co-producer on board so we can really up the budget on this so that we can compete with the Netflix and I think that kind of the more money this has the more chance will have people cannot get their eyeballs to it.

Means that this means less of the story to be more innovative and go to work harder content that you can get a lot of money behind I'm in and then yeah kind of are the consequences of that which isn't Disney content isn't exactly the same as what makes a shower traditionally BBC showing the beauty of the BBC show doesn't always China surly with this new will be looking for something that is a complication of an industry where there's less and less money people competing with one another and that competition is can you get asthma 24 shows you can't stand the premiumness and pick you up on that pointing out this deal was struck kind of at the end of that peaked in 2022 when everything was.

Was money everywhere it was very well, and I'm wearing a different world now and I think that's just that is probably part of the story as well.

That was a big investment at a time when actually yeah that Investments are having to work harder now.

It is hard you do more with less having comfortmaker digital world, so my head.

I'm like you know that that you look at that kind of budgets or scripted and Unscripted shows and you're like ok.

That doesn't feel sustainable anymore, so it's like how do you make more with less? You know with a doctor? Who is there a Charmander to figure out new things but with smaller but that's the left to be released is the war between land and sea which is a spin-off stand-alone episodes BBC just announced that it's going to be on here in the behaviour and on Disney Plus in 2026.

Is it gonna be ready for between all the stalls because it's at the end of all of this is any good to rethink I mean I hope so like I'm like that.

Turn off adult content on my profile of them down in Wales the other week and it's on the Brook House website anybody that is really I got to go in the Tardis I was I was trying so hard to be cool and professional and I really I hope it's good have a lot face and then they are the company that did his Dark Materials discovery of witches they make industry.

They make some fantastic shows and some fantastic big scale fantasy the conversations having with them is how do you make those Big Show's in the world by the Copa market is looking so healthy.

How do you try and yeah, keep that premium ambition alive without the premium.

So yeah, I hope it's going to be good.

They could do with it being so I can only see could do with it being really good as well entice someone to become I guess the next time for a I check in and then you report this week suggest around 9% of Us news articles are at least partly ai-generated then you surprised by that guy that figures.

To monetize and make I'm jealous and 4 years has been in peril in terms of how you make money from her so I'm not surprised necessarily that they're using a it's it's worrying about Christmas in the sense that if there's anything that you want to be written by humans and the fact it's news articles, but at the same time you know I'm sure this efficiency they can make in struggling Newsroom at Rebecca's interesting that local news publishers from all likely to use AI the national ones that just about people and how many asked if I could have made that makes total sense I mean I'm not hearing from you within the same way.

I'm in here the American the local market is struggling.

It is not what it used to be and I'm sure people have noticed that your local even coverings local democracy story.

They aren't doing the same stuff.

The Newsroom I just absolutely gutted and that used to be training pipeline for getting people into internationals and yeah, it's really depressing when I say this you know with a great deal of self and I have two skills are asking questions in their writing things down and I'd like to do that.

I'd rather than have a robot.

Do it while I go take out the rubbish right and it's just such a there is a world.

I think in which like you were saying that there are economies.

There is a world in which like this whole thing about we have to get so much clickbait out how to get so many articles that because I used to be to have Magneto but you have to fill it out now.

It's we have to drop your driving flicks the website of the way do that is have stories of stories or story's or stories and it means that jealous don't get time to go and do the good old fashioned who led the German they are writing press releases and what you get AI to rewrite the preferences you have humans check them and then the journalist can go out and do the investigations the nuts and bolts proper we can go out and do that I don't.

Who are newspapers to think ok? We've got three reported less 3 than months do investigations and have I am still go? Oh, we've got through because actor and just have one check the AI and that is so soundly depressing as you say what you want and as you said that would be a great.

Sorry maybe you can go to profitability by having a I write press releases know if everybody is doing that actually just use the money was thinking about getting to is generative video AI new software from Sorrento to form a basis or to the end of September play a bit of it now physics and mechanics.

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What's your what's your take Ben myself? I miss you already.

I mean yes, I can't wait to see you either it take to looks like that kind of new iteration of Photoshop and excited about buy it.

I like it can eliminate separator and if you're an average Joe you don't have a major studio behind you and you want a crates animation you can now do that and your creativity and run wild that's quite a nice concept on the flip side yet kind of put.

Jobs out and it feels like it's an item major transitional period of witch in a We Stand on the precipice of kind of just rather call change and we have no idea whatsoever is on the other side of the the Will Smith eating spaghetti kind of mess has shifted into something you can't really tell me if it's it is real or not.

I used to think you know what I work in kind of documentaries done everything we do is all about the roar real human experience and I still think that's an element of truth and I like it important that you can be there be here now the problem.

Is that you can just the fault and you know that conversation of tiktok and saying where you can place yourself and tiktok videos and it just looks completely realistic and also like it does the thing that it was trying to do when you're creating content which you're trying to create a moment that never ever been seen before which is highly highly difficult as a producer just those moments where you can price as and

Competing against something we can't win against which is terrifying you know something in my more optimistic.

X I'm like this is an opportunity to just be more creative and in my lonely.

X where I'm sat in my room because like stuff on tiktok.

It's funny like this a great place for gags it so it's also a great place for creativity.

It is also like I find grey.

There's also people will send me like little cat videos and it will be just be like this funny little moment when you realise they didn't actually happened the cat didn't actually turning look at the baby and what the hell.

I don't know I feel like coming is a bit lost there because it's it was supposed to be about this funny that thing actually happened and it didn't and of course the more dangerous and is the disinformation and the formation of a little this and Miss information.

There's there's been a disco maybe it's just there are lots of little bits of it and people that can't tell the difference but there's always to worry.

Would be your trump has said this and then it goes via all that sort of stuff has never really happened at the top and verifiable I think on the kind of large-scale Theatre president say this that's kind of recently is it disproved? I think it is in places where you're not necessarily getting the news coverage may be an area is off limits.

You don't know what to make of of the contact and I think that point about it's not just the stuff that you see and you believe it to be real, but it's the stuff that you've seen you got I don't know if this is real the most now.

I'm stuck Instagram is like is this real shame you cannot create an AI video that really feels a bit early real like humans or react to Michael in places that the mainstream.

Don't see I think I'm

Little bit time in opposition hour.

I'm just like I don't think there's anything we can only do about it in a do with cross the Rubicon I'm trying to get to a position where I'm like it is a tool for creative use you just have to see as that ok.

It's going to take some jobs, but also Craig jobs in it and hope that it's like is it a new inn at a new Revolution have kept the concept of creativity in but it but it feels like this is a disappearing point in humanity that we have never seen a Douglas Adams quote about like anything that happens when your child or before your ball is like natural in the way of the world anything that happens when your teams 2030s is like seeing a new and The New Frontier anything happens after is weird unnatural and we've gone too far and I think even I'm in my 30s.

I might have hit my Douglas Adams point with it.

I just like I don't know about that.

Every industry and I don't think you're even in the world of creativity.

It's not just a a video like everything aspect of it.

I like creating text responding to emails like everything is now starts to become pretty generic, but that's the one saving grace.

Is that chat you but he is freaking generic version my documentary into it fiction script and I read it.

It's the worst thing ever this is so terrible or if you're like write me a comprehensive treatment on this morning which I've tried it's terrible so it's like it's impossible this aspect of it.

I just called you yet these for the long partnership BBC have had with NPC and things like the Weakest Link and traitors and Destination X have been a part of that what they were they trying to get.

Trying to come up with brilliant entertainment shows that have the success of a the traitors has been huge Destination X a bit smaller but you know still you know phenomenally successful.

They're trying to find the next one is a lot of them a lot of discussion to Edinburgh TV Festival where abouts who's buying international format that been made as well so for example the traitors was an example of that but you know there's a big move like we have a very creative brilliant industry in England and Ireland in the UK and we are trying really hard to come up in these are trying really have to come up with ideas and so they've you know the feeling that will be buying from Britain and that's that's essentially what this is heading out to do I saw a post producer and I will look at how many people had bit for this money and he should have worked out that probably got a million-pound been spent to actually get get what that comes away with you wouldn't get you any of that.

10067 getting £10,000 for development and then there will be a contract to make this show and yeah, I think they were at least 300 people on the briefing call.

They did and I understand there about 200 submissions for as200 in these triangle or draw 200 years for show so yeah, there's a lot of that is a bit of a problem developer at the moment.

Generally you know the way in which sort of commissioning works is that you know indeed come up with ideas and go to you like them and maybe have a think about it for a bit longer and all of this money that their spend even to get to put your strengths commissioner.

They just is just throwing like stuff on a wall to see what's to see what we go to hold this bag.

So just do everything something will go through and that the River are people need to go and get a bit ways for is this is this the best way we can be doing a lot of a child Edinburgh festivals about the big things that we will know the big thing.

Run internationally is that putting all your eggs in one basket or actually in small organisations.

Just need a big show to pay for everything else.

Will I guess what you into the development endless pain of the pitching and that is / life for sure.

I'd say like affect you as an Indians leverage leverage.

Obviously either come for a fantastic idea which is the meaning of great but also even a fantastic I can come from Prestige before your liking so much stuff.

They going to be called every second through the audience and testing IP on a smaller scale that can then kind of build I think it's a combination of both things you need like as best as you can possibly get as they always say no returnable series can help from the company I think.

Why you can just rely solely on TV kind of companies or streamers to stay in business is just dying in their kind of consolidating.

They're taking less risks and benefits with your effectively a producer for hire for the rest of your life even if you owe me, I'd be on somebody's ideas and then you can have this year Leach and I'm trying to figure out what you do where the exciting elements of an IR and the callicrate economy works dinner.

Can I create for myself? Is there a way that I can write a book by to make this content you'll know for you know the money that can help me build an audience this risks associated with that big time something to combination of doing both at the moment.

We are family and both of them as well.

Well.

Let's talk a bit more about that and what you been doing after break before we go to that.

I would have any Indies that we've seen I've been shortlisted in this process or don't know yet, so we do know there were nine Indies

Ideas to of them apart Nadal so it was expectation who are the guys that make Clarkson's farm on prime video have to avoid the plug inside is run by a guy called Flynn who has some pretty major entertainment shows under his but I think he was involved in pointless as well.

Someone's is October films who normally make documentaries and they're obviously going actually maybe we'll try and I think it is you know what you were saying that comes.

I haven't diversify into the into the Creator economy and out the purity.

I think also their kind of what we can't just be specialist.

Let's let's have a little I don't know about you, but I think probably symptomatic of the market where people thinking one maybe we should I what was specialist in and try something new try something different people don't like it if you have someone who comes to wear with you only got some experience and you got the opportunity to look at different areas of the person that.

Amazing that you got TalkBack Thames who made Britain's Got Talent does plenty of sort of get TV royalty within that list have also got a kind of work about a worker bee primal media and metal Mouse of entertainment.

There's a lot of lot of good things in there with all ok, when we return Ben on what's happening on YouTube hello Media club listeners, Patrick hear from podcast Discovery where this week and thinking about what to do between Seasons you've probably heard that it's always the best way to keep people's attention, but that's not always possible, so what's the best way to keep your feed and your socials active while you work on your next.

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And we have been making content like this when we launched the Untold series Channel 4 by the BBC video animation lab and lunch both formats that so it's like I've done this before that contents of the lights on.

I'm trying to figure out actually whether we can build that audiences around it.

I'm in the plan ultimately is to belong chill out of us with different greatest different bases us like the food show at all in the universe which is we go there on the ground content.

We show you that you should access to all the while the kind of the business of like to know we have the Sunderland Now to start the business which is pitching to streamers and podcasts and then branded content will still exist, but yeah, but it looks like it could be on regular telly.

It's of no different to what you see on BBC2 or Channel 4 was that intention is that how it works, would you have to?

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There is a problem of here on the other hand the average consumer does not care where the consequences of not thinking is this on the BBC so if you can find a way to make the content away or the interest can respond to and can find discoverability is everything so what was more nerve-wracking the episode in the Middle East or taking all your clothes off.

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That's part of the worry with that.

I mean the reality is places like Netflix or Disney will also have their own opinions on what should be on their platforms and I think it's the value of Public Service Broadcasting ability to to make content that when I saw this story I had to S11 to get involved because I have created the media storm itself.

I had a list why did anyone need to talk about it.

I have still wide yeah that be like that was so it's confusing have anyone going to have a conversation.

Conversation you can challenge people very adequately yourself bit unusual position to take out just bad Media planning by behave, but that was like why would you like what we expect Louis Theroux interview or documentary like if you've been into being the westboro Baptist church.

That is overtly political and controversial and like his come out with statements that people are gonna find her for he is interviewed white supremacist before like the celebrity interview show and then they were going to be safe I mean maybe but that's suggested never like in counted Louis Theroux before which is impressive at this point in the museum.

They got complaints if we don't know the social media backlash is it trying to not be out of it before you cancelled any maybe that had complaints somebody's phone them you know directly who doesn't get complaints for anything.

I thought I thought that was the most intriguing as they felt like bad kind of pr.

And managing of their kind of books.

And yeah, obviously there's a guy who runs independent media company that makes sense you're allowed to talk about anything ok.

This is difficult to navigate of course.

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